Donnerstag, 28. März 2019

Appendix on “Antony & Cleopatra”, part one: “Love and other important things”



It is a long time now since I did appendices, but there is a good reason for it. When they decided to show the play in the “Cinema” after all I instantly bought tickets for Claudia and me, and this became the beginning of an e-mail exchange which developed a life of its own. I loved it how the characters of Antony and Cleopatra raised irritation from the start because this is how I initially felt about the play. It nagged me in a way that I felt might become interesting should I finally proceed to close reading (- which it did!). I loved the irritation, and I loved how it quite suddenly becomes personal (- which might of course become a problem as to publishing it …) And I also loved the way other things we were reading/watching at the same time came into it. This is the first part of the exchange:


Thursday, January 17th 2019
Subject: new post

Hi Claudia,

I posted new content about “Antony and Cleopatra” and I will get the tickets today.

Have a nice day!
Barbara



Friday, January 18th 2019
Subject: answer new post

Good morning Barbara!

I read your post yesterday and think there is an accurate description of what Ralph Fiennes is like on the stage. As if he had just learned his text, and it is obvious that he is merely playing the adhering emotions. One doesn’t buy it that he has them for real. To be able to do this in a way the audience doesn’t notice  it is great acting. But, strangely, the missing “dimension” is added when he appears on screen. Of course it is possible that he just switched to autopilot  in the performance you saw, and that he had been better in the beginning  – as, hopefully, he was when they recorded the show for the cinema.

(footnote: this was almost exactly the opposite of what I wrote. I remember to have taken it up in some way but, obviously, not by e-mail!?)

I am debating with myself if I should read the play before seeing it. I heard a lecture years ago on A+C, and the lecturer  totally loved the play because it is about a mature love affair, not juvenile (first) love as in most plays by Shakespeare. The quote you used indicates something different. This made me curious!

Reading your post reminded me of the TV series “Rome”. I think it might complement A+C.

Have a nice weekend!
Claudia


Tuesday, January 22nd 2019
Subject: answer new post

Hi Claudia,

I was thinking about what you wrote over the weekend, and I agree with your lecturer though he might have understood it differently. In my opinion, the play is dealing with a mature love affair, not juvenile, “romantic” love, but not the “usual” kind - where people have learned to love and understand each other being married for twenty years or more (as in one of my favourite films: “Another Year”). Instead it is about falling in love at a mature age. From my own experience – platonic, of course! – I can tell that it is great because you know who you are at that age, and what you want and need, and then it is kind of “coming your way”! Unbelievable, really. And I think this is what a big part of the play is about. Juvenile love is mostly steered by hormones (see “Romeo and Juliet”). Of course it is an important step on the long, often rather difficult path towards finding oneself. If the hormones just “stop”, or if we realize that another person might do equally well – or better! – we get distressed and disconcerted (see “The Two Gentlemen of Verona”). A “violent” love affair at a mature age, of course, generates different problems and challenges, and it might not agree with the way we have come to live our lives. Antony is married after all. He gets lucky and his wife dies, but he remarries instantly for political reasons. Where he is concerned his love doesn’t really “fit in”, but it is probably so good that he wouldn’t dream of giving it up. In A+C it is not the usual horror with families, children, separation and divorce, instead there is an enormous political impact. No less for Cleopatra, for whom the independence of Egypt has to take priority even though she finds life without Antony deadly boring. And this is the kind of matter which I think Shakespeare found totally fascinating – what happens when these predicaments and this kind of passion get entangled.

By the way, I just finished the novel about Shakespeare’s theatre (“Fools and Mortals” by Bernard Cornwell) and hit on something we already discussed. I remember that I realized then that I always thought of Shakespeare as being some kind of director for his own plays but never thought about how exactly this might have worked at the time. I mean, there was no official “slot” for a director in the theatre at the time. Reading the novel, I realized that I imagined it exactly the way Bernard Cornwell did. The “sharers” – who owned the business – usually were actors as well, so they were always “in” on the process of producing plays. Those who ran the business automatically had a say which plays should be produced, and how. And everybody would have taken the job he was best qualified for. Bernard Cornwell came up with a good argument for his view in the epilogue – that there had been in fact some kind of director (who had to be one of the actors at the same time). This is how the production process is described in “A Midsummer Night’s Dream”. Basically, everybody delivers his ideas, and then Peter Quince (alias William Shakespeare) says: No – this is the way we’ll do it! (And I suppose he was always right …) What was interesting as well is that FOR THE FIRST TIME I had a feeling about who Shakespeare might have been as a person even though – or maybe because – he is shown as remote and partially disagreeable from his brother’s perspective. Maybe this was the kind of “authenticity” I needed? (The brother, Richard Shakespeare, existed, of course, but we don’t know anything about him. Which indicates that he probably wasn’t an actor who lived in London but that he stayed in Stratford to run the family business. But as we don’t know anything for sure we are allowed to speculate …)

Cheers
Barbara


Friday, February 8th 2019
Subject: love and other important things

Dear Barbara,

After what you wrote I am totally thrilled about the play. I decided against reading it or reading anything about it. With “Julius Caesar” this worked great.

(…)

A Midsummer Night’s Dream! I never came upon the play being quoted as an example for making theatre at Shakespeare’s time, only upon Hamlet’s advice for the actors. You are right, this is how it might have been. What I would be most interested to know, though, is what the acting was really like at the time, not just the producing. I think, “Stage Beauty”, the film with Claire Danes and Billy Cudrup as an actor who played female parts, probably comes close. There were mostly “stock figures”: the woman, the clown, the young hero, the villain … Right, Shakespeare almost always crossed these expectations with his text, but we don’t know what the audience got out of it. The typical “stock figures” with kind of contradictory text. Must have been really interesting at the time! I think we still love it when our expectations are crossed, for example in films. Another reason to wish for a time machine: just to see the “technical” aspects of a certain period.

(…)

Cheers
Claudia


(Footnote for Claudia: I loved the bit about “stock figures” and crossed expectations which you wrote you didn’t understand anymore. So I left it in and just tried to make the translation more literal.)


Friday, February 8th 2019
Subject: answer love and other important things

Hi Claudia,

As to A+C – I imagine that the show might come across rather different if you didn’t have that much input as I had in this case. Probably better. I had a feeling that they made it quite transparent and that most people found it entertaining, whereas reading it had been rather tedious at first. We’ll see! I am looking forward to it. Now I am going on a trip with my mother and sisters over the weekend, and then Shakespeare on Monday – what can beat this!

By the way: I suddenly got a bunch of DVDs I ordered with Christopher Eccleston, and – FINALLY! – “Berlin Station” with Richard Armitage in a leading role. Not that it is THAT great, but after such a long time I am just enjoying it.

I think if we could see theatre at Shakespeare’s time we would just find it strange and it wouldn’t really work for us. Nonetheless I think that these plays triggered very similar feelings in people at the time, and that this is the reason for this “timelessness”: a feeling that Shakespeare (unlike other authors of his time) still speaks to us. Independently of what actors did at the time or are doing today, the main thing is that they can convey EXACTLY what the audience has to feel. (Which appears like a truism, but I fully understood what this means only when I saw “Macbeth” in Stratford.) In this respect, Shakespeare text on the stage still is the “gold standard”, in my experience. And I am convinced that this was the same at the time as it is today – as, in fact, “Stage Beauty” suggests. Bernard Cornwell had good ideas about acting as well. You can borrow the book if you want to.

Cheers, and have a nice weekend!
Barbara


Friday, February 8th 2019
Subject: answer love and other important things

Hi Barbara,

Berlin Station is not good? Pity … Richard Armitage promoted it a lot on twitter. (…)

Have a nice trip!
Claudia


Friday, February 8th 2019
Subject: answer love and other important things

“Good” is relative, as always. I usually find it awkward when British actors speak American (or German!!!***). (He is playing an American who grew up in Berlin, and there are whole conversations in German. Funny!) Apart from that it is one of these series about Secret Services – not as “fashionable” as “The Spooks” but maybe more realistic instead. (Berlin automatically adds this element of reality which London hasn’t for me.) The dialogue is not that inspired either, which, in my opinion, limits the actors. On the other hand, we see him as somebody who is basically “nice”, for a change, at least not evil! Very good kissing in the first episode (Must have!).

Cheers
Barbara


To be continued …



Mittwoch, 6. März 2019

Real life killed “Shakespeare” – almost!



It would have been really interesting if it hadn’t been horrible. Real life “overtook” “Antony & Cleopatra”, and real life always is so much worse even when it isn’t mine. (These days I probably don’t have one, and I must say: I am NOT sorry!) The worst part of real life – in this case – is that I think I should be doing something. Even though I know that nothing can be done when the milk has already been spilt. The contemporary answer to tragedy is therapy. If we are lucky … (And I am afraid love trouble might be resistant to therapy?)

Nonetheless I have a few ideas and experiences for “storage” which I had before real life hit. First of all – I didn’t miss the Oscars this time! I usually miss the Oscars on purpose because I mind getting up in the middle of the night just to be disappointed. This time I was only disappointed ONCE, about “best actor”, because neither Christian Bale nor Viggo Mortensen got it who both would have deserved it BIG TIME. But there were probably others no less deserving. Then everything was forgotten because I almost couldn’t believe it that Olivia Colman got “best actress”. Not because she hasn’t been the best – she probably was! – but because I had been totally convinced that the stupid Lady Gaga would get it. I was so delighted – and relieved! – that I had my first glass of prosecco at about 4.30 in the morning. And it only got better because a short time after this “Green Book” actually won “best picture”!!! It should have been “The Favourite”, of course, as to artistic value, but I was so insanely delighted that one of my three favourites (“Green Book”, “The Favourite”, and “Vice”) had made it that I didn’t mind the political correctness bonus in this case - and had my second glass of prosecco at half past five! Secretly, I liked “Green Book” much better anyway, though my personal favourite had been “Vice” because I am always so unreasonably delighted when I hit on measurable traces of intelligence. (I had been hard pressed to find them in “Berlin Station” right now - until I determined that they are not to be found in the dialogue. Apart from that, it’s a great story!) And, like “The Big Short”, in this respect, “Vice” was a feast. (It was even better because the best moment for me is always when I STOP laughing, and in “Vice” this moment came rather early.) It was probably a good thing that I wasn’t up early enough for “best actor in a supporting role” because I might have had a third glass. Just now I made sure that Mahershala Ali actually got it (– which I thought he did already in 2018, but there had been a glitch in the news coverage of the Bayerische Rundfunk (!), and I didn’t double-check.) He actually learned to play the piano to impersonate Doctor Shirley! (I sat in the cinema wondering all the time if it really can be him – not what we hear, of course, but what we see! – and it was!!!) But this wasn’t even remotely the best thing he did. He was quite as good as Viggo as to nailing the human content of this character, which is basically what I am going to the cinema for. (Not even in Munich cinema tickets are cheap anymore. They were, for a time, because of the competition, but then, I suppose, they had to implement minimum wages.) So – Unbelievable! Probably the best Oscars ever …

Now, I still don’t get any time for either writing or “Shakespeare”, so in the meantime it appears real life has “gone away” (temporarily). Love trouble fixed?! When I don’t have to witness the heartbreak I can’t help finding it funny that, at first, I didn’t GET “Antony & Cleopatra” because I didn’t really get which kind of story the play is supposed to tell. I kept asking myself: Why the SAME THING over and over again? Now I think that it must be part of the attraction: breaking up and getting together again. I just wondered because of “Berlin Station” if bitching might actually be appropriate foreplay for getting the kind of dynamic sex “we” might be dreaming of but never get because we are nice and accommodating …??? I take the risk of appearing naïve – which I couldn’t hide anyway! -  but I really hate bitching, and BITCHES! So I keep forgetting that men might not – provided the right bits are on display. (Which might actually be IMPORTANT for understanding Cleopatra – or Antony, in the first place!) O boy, this is getting really bad … but real life does that.

What is getting really interesting – but also rather demanding – about “Antony & Cleopatra” is that my reading tends to work “the other way round”: Not fiction analyzing real life, but real life analyzing fiction. I am a bit afraid – and thrilled! – of what might happen next. Not yet quite ready to take up the play again …

… which I wanted to do because of Cleopatra. As to Antony - quite like in “Richard III” - I have SEEN it all! Nonetheless Ralph Fiennes will doubtlessly receive his due when I finally can get to him for incredibly EFFICIENT acting. There was, in fact, only one other actor I ever saw doing what he did with Richard IN THE THEATRE: to nail a character so completely that there is literally NOTHING TO ADD, and that was Richard Armitage in “The Crucible”. But, in one of these hours I was awake in bed and didn’t have to think about real life, it came to me why, in my opinion, Sophie Okonedo “worked” as Cleopatra even though she didn’t do the “right thing”. I am afraid it is complicated …

… apart from what I already wrote: that it is crucial for an actress to play Cleopatra that she can convey convincingly this quality of ageless feminine attractiveness – without BEING too young. Which I think Sophie Okonedo can - better than any other actress I could think of at the moment. (Unlike Eve Best (in the Globe’s production) and Josette Simon (in the RSC’s) she didn’t have to CONVINCE me that she is Cleopatra! Whereas for Antony Ralph Fiennes would have been about the last actor I would have casted. But, for reasons I will unfold later, he became the best Antony I will probably ever see – though the competition was fierce, in this case, as Antony Byrne displayed the same kind of expert “Shakespeare acting” as Tunji Kasim in the RSC’s production. (And he was brilliant at dying! I’d never have thought that anybody could make Antony’s ending appear entirely believable and “satisfying”.) So, Sophie Okonedo was SUPPOSED to work.

It is complicated because the explanation came to me when I compared her style of acting with the completely different style of acting of Tunji Kasim as Octavius Caesar – and discovered what consequences this had for the “timelessness” of the character. Thinking about what I had seen when I was in London, it struck me that she had been the only actor who had bothered to give her character a contemporary definition - in agreement with the contemporary setting of the play - and which I acknowledged thinking that she played Cleopatra as an “ageing celebrity” –  with her “amimetobion” on display daily on Instagram. (Actually, for me, the kind of living hell I always associated with Lady Di …) This kind of “topicality” is certainly ONE way of getting to the point FAST and comparatively effortlessly. Which is probably why it is so popular – and often works great, as was proved by my immediate response to her playing “Think you there was or may be such a man …”. But – like the last “Julius Caesar” by the National Theatre wearing a “Trump cap” – it is almost always an oversimplification. We get the semantic implications of this character in a heartbeat, but then what? I find that it often stops what Shakespeare “wanted” us to do: close “reading” of the text – for example by following Tunji Kasim playing Octavius Caesar. This certainly takes an effort and is probably something that has to be LEARNED – as, I think, this manner of acting can be learned. Which was exactly what Shakespeare intended with his text. It helps the actor and the audience to process the COMPLEXITY – which is, as I am finding out once again! – comparable to the complexity of real life situations. On the other hand, I usually get a “breakthrough” when I witness actors display THEIR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with the character because I cannot help but empathize when I see this. (Which might explain my weird relationship with Voldemort! And I might have found the explanation why “Richard III” and “The Crucible” felt like a three (and a half) hour breakthrough. It was the perfect COMBINATION of both: Great, brainy analysis and passionate empathy for the character we are supposed to empathize with. In both cases there is an unmistakable “slot” provided by the writing for us to do this! All you need to make it work is the right actor.)

The interesting point, though, was that Sophie Okonedo suggested by the way she showed us who Cleopatra is in her opinion that we are dealing with a contemporary character. Which we are not! And which was in disagreement with the rest of the production which totally “resisted” the contemporary setting of the play. And this is what became, in my opinion, the overall reason for its success. Tunji Kasim WAS Octavius Caesar, a ROMAN; that he wore a suit and tie instead of a toga didn’t make the least bit of a difference. (Same for Antony, by the way: the only significant thing in his case was the change of attire from the “effeminate” Egyptian gear to suit and tie/uniform when he returns to Rome.) Women in smart office suits and laptops instead of Roman officials might be stretching it a bit – aesthetically! – but the audience will buy this any time because of the consistency of the setting which is the important thing. We are NOT SUPPOSED to think about it! The inner semantics – what is going on, who are these people? – remained undisturbed by the change. And I am certain I would never have found cause to think about this if Sophie Okonedo hadn’t broken the implicit rule – unintentionally, I suppose. But thinking about it made me find out something important.

The effect her acting had on me – especially compared with the variety displayed by Tunji Kasim or Ralph Fiennes – is that it reduces complexity. And this usually isn’t good where “Shakespeare” is concerned. The reason that it kind of worked with Cleopatra is that she is, in fact, less complex than Antony – or rather that her overall situation is less complex. This is what came to me lying awake and thinking about the play: that Shakespeare dealt with her as a political and social entity only implicitly because there is no need for it. Where Antony is concerned there is a tearing conflict between his political persona as one of the three “pillars of the earth” and the private “amimetobion” with Cleopatra. For Cleopatra there is not. Her personal and political ambition – having great sex and lots of fun with Antony and defending Egypt from being swallowed up by Rome – are ONE AND THE SAME … UNTIL THEY ARE NOT! In the end, Antony has stopped “working” and is going from admirable to ridiculous. So Cleopatra CANNOT stay with him any longer and – even though she doesn’t WANT to – HAS to do what she has always done: get into bed with the most powerful Roman – figuratively in this case. Her motives are not made explicit – probably because of the suspense? – but I think the dynamics and political implications are kind of obvious.

So - contrary to what I felt initially seeing the play in London – Antony is AT LEAST as important as Cleopatra because he is the genuinely TRAGIC character in this story. “Tragic hero” would be entirely misplaced in this case – this role might be reserved for Cleopatra whose death is presented as much more dignified and heroic. Though, in fact, it is probably not. She kills herself because her strategy hasn’t worked, and this is her way out from ending up in Caesar’s triumph, visibly stripped of all her dignity and power. (What struck me specifically about this play is the obscenely immoral attitude towards lying. Like the pronounced courtesy in “Macbeth”, I think it is supposed to be significant. All the time people are making promises that they already KNOW they are going to break – often even the other party already knows this because it is just the way politics works!) The main reason I came to the conclusion that Antony is not so important in the end is that I basically MISSED Antony when I was in the theatre, and focused on Cleopatra.  

As I already wrote, this got rectified when I saw the recorded production in the “Cinema”. And, even though it is now too long ago for me to remember a lot of specifics, I know I will always remember this theatre experience – quite like “Richard III” – by remembering how deeply I ENJOYED Ralph Fiennes performance. The first time I was just so surprised and delighted and almost couldn’t believe that it was actually possible to get THIS out of “Shakespeare”. Now I am rather sure of what to expect from him, and that I WILL get it. And, in my experience, it helps to know what it is and why I want it so much.

To explain the difference between what he is doing and what Tunji Kasim or Antony Byrne were doing – basically; Shakespeare acting is always complex, and there are certainly individual parts and variations in any case which I cannot see – I recall the moment where Antony gets the message about Enorbarbus’ defection. It is one of these “quiet” moments where we – in the cinema! – get a close-up of his face, and there were tears in his eyes. I mean REAL tears, not the “one eye one tear thing” that obviously most actors are learning how to do. And the tears as such were totally beside the point anyway because nobody IN THE THEATRE could have seen them. Not in THIS theatre, with its huge stage, where the first rows are probably twenty feet removed from the actors. Unless he “produced” them for the cinema, and I don’t think anybody is THAT calculating. I know that “calculating” is in fact mostly a good quality in actors (!), but it might in fact be one of the few things that LIMIT Ralph Fiennes that he is NOT. He kind of HAS to “go there” FOR REAL – which was interesting to witness when I became aware that he isn’t that “professional”, that there was no “default mode”. I believe most actors can run what they are doing “on autopilot”, even maybe for a whole show – and this is actually an important quality for the theatre! The audience will probably notice if it is a substantial role, but the production is not in danger, there will not be a total “drop out”. Therefore Claudia may be right to mind it very much if somebody doesn’t know his text, or fucks up in a leading role, because the audience doesn’t get what they are paying for. I grant this, but I also noticed that what I am PAYING for – a spectacular and perfect show starring famous actors – is not really the reason for me to go to the theatre. It has always been something different though, of course, I usually EXPECT perfection like everybody else. But I can have all this any time in the cinema, or watching my BBC and Netflix series. Ultimately, I am looking for the same thing there, but there is no place like the theatre to reveal the truth about actors. What I noticed about myself being in the theatre (or, actually, seeing a PLAY in the cinema!) might apply to certain actors as well: THERE IS NOWHERE TO HIDE. And, even though I can see the problem, I totally love it that Ralph Fiennes isn’t interested in “default acting”. That he obviously never lost this wonderful “innocence” and “immediacy” of the experience that makes him so great as an actor. (I even noticed this about Christopher Eccleston, having now seen so much of his early work. It is totally different what he is now, as an actor. Probably better in many ways, but there are obviously good qualities that can get lost by becoming more and more professional.) I think, for Ralph Fiennes, it is probably part of the “program”: There is no point in it FOR HIM if he cannot do it “for real”. So, there is NO POINT in doing it at all. And it is probably just impossible to know if you can still do it after the tenth or fifteenth performance. And this is, of course, a problem. (The most likely explanation for the TOTAL “drop-out”, though, is that he didn’t feel well on the day I saw the show. I specifically remember that the part after the interval that felt like half an hour of ranting and shouting definitely “wasn’t there” when I saw it in the theatre. Or simply problems with his voice because the singing was the only part that was better when I saw it in the theatre, and it was obvious that he hadn’t strained his voice as much as on the day they recorded the performance. I suppose he decided that he couldn’t do the ranting and shouting, and there probably is nothing he could have done instead to convey the intensity of Antony’s feelings.)

There is a possible misunderstanding I have to clear up before getting on with this. What I have written might suggest that I don’t find professionalism important, or that a lack in professionalism might make actors better actors. On the contrary - it is probably the one quality I admire and find in almost all British actors: that they learn to be so exceedingly pragmatic and professional. And I find it appalling how naïve and unprofessional German actors appear sometimes. Generally speaking, I totally hate it when people are unprofessional about work issues. At work, the only way to impress me is to be more efficient than I am. So THIS is totally not the point I was going to make.

But professionalism has many faces, and it cannot lead to sacrificing the best qualities somebody has as an actor. In my opinion, Ralph Fiennes is a master of this kind of DETAILED ANALYSIS of the human matter we find in “Shakespeare” – and which I missed where Sophie Okonedo is concerned. He just has a totally different technique of analyzing, which I actually find to be unique on this scope. When I saw him play “Richard III” I was just so amazed with the complexity. There was actually a whole NEW DIMENSION he gave to this character. Playing Antony, there were again so many different emotional qualities and so many changes of mood and behaviour AS THERE ACTUALLY ARE in this character when I am reading and analyzing him. I remember how Antony gave me the creeps FROM THE BEGINNING, even more than Cleopatra did. And this is, of course, because Shakespeare is so RIGHT about him. When, in real life, people suddenly stop working and start happening, it gets messy. It is very rarely “reasonable”, or dignified. And there is PAIN and SHAME that “we” don’t want to see because it makes us feel helpless. And, maybe, makes us aware that things like this could happen to us as well. (I think I was there already about Christopher Eccleston and “Macbeth”. This is what is supposed to happen when great method actors take up a Shakespeare character, and it usually happens.) I think what Ralph Fiennes is doing – and what I meant by “innocence” – is trusting Shakespeare not by following the “text-flow”, but by trusting him “with his life”. He knows he HAS this stuff in himself, in whatever form, the good feelings and the bad, the pain, the shame … And he is actually “going there” every time to get it out of himself. And he really LIKES this. Even ESPECIALLY the pain and the shame. I remember that I thought already when I was in the cinema that THIS was special: there is probably no other actor who would have analyzed and taken up the shame like this. And even though Antony is despised for it, I think it is actually a good quality that he is prepared to DEAL with the shame – which most tragic characters are not! What they usually do is to get out under it as fast as they can. And this is what “we” usually do! But I think that if we would be allowed more to show these bad feelings without automatically embarrassing everybody a lot of therapy would become unnecessary. (Of course, for Romans, “therapy” is no viable concept! What they had instead was a sword.)

So, obviously, Ralph Fiennes was THE actor to play Antony. He would be for any character that is “filled” with conflicting human stuff like this – but he analyzed the political stuff equally brilliantly. It was a pleasure how “completely” Tunji Kasim and he worked together as antagonists. The differences were played out perfectly on every level: physically, emotionally, socially, and politically. There was nothing left vague or unexplained of what Shakespeare analyzed so brilliantly. Of course, it becomes a beautiful and satisfying show only when THIS happens. One actor can never achieve this single-handedly, but if one of the crucial characters “drops out” or is played inefficiently it can never happen.

So, that was it – finally! – about “Antony & Cleopatra”. May they rest in peace … No, probably not because I entered into an e-mail exchange with Claudia about the play and especially these two characters which proved that they are in fact “catalysts” for bad feelings. There were a few issues about Antony in particular that were interesting and which I might want to take up in my next post.